yep, boxing comes to mind. Judges give decision to undefeated prospects when they clearly were in trouble and lost half or more rounds. Athletic commission appoints these same boxing judges to judge mma in order to ruin mma, what other reason? – to control mma? -same thing. Also, why a limit on heavyweight class when there is no in boxing? Oh, they want to point out the only difference in structure of boxing and mma; so they took weight limit from “wrastlin”, as a symbol to make people believe that mma is as fake as “wrastlin” can be when one watches pro-wrestling. Also, sherdog’s beatdown after the bell mentioned that a female judge was absent for 1.5 minutes of the 1st round of Jorge Conquistador’s fight. First, the fight was allowed to start, and then she was allowed to judge. Why blame Mazagatti, not the boxing commission? Dana wanted Rothwell to get killed or thrown on his head as Emelianenko Fedor was in the Randleman fight. Rothwell in the pre-fight period convinced me he is going to stop some takedowns, that in itself prompts the ref to stop the fight. So, don’t let refs hear what fighters have to say before the fight. Just a joke, refs are fans too. Let McCArthy back. oh wait, boxing commission doesn’t want him there because he’ll ruin boxing by separating mma a bit from boxing, just a bit. And it’s a big deal. bummer. Why blame Fedor for not signing, why blame Dana for not signing Fedor, instead blame boxing commission because they want the plethora of champions to exist to mirror what they have in boxing: multiple champions in the same weight class. Oh wait, but it’s cool to have six belts , right, like Mayweather did? If you want to create confusion, then yes.

It’s not the UFC, it’s the Nevada boxing association. Cecil Peebles is the worst judge.

Hey Harj, good luck tryin to quit UFC. That ain’t gonna happen baby. Anyways I have to say, I am a huge Machida fan. I had mixed feelings about his win. He is still undefeated, but it COULD have gone either way. But anyone really shouldn’t comment on the match until they watch it without sound… The commentators poisin the mind. Best to watch it without other people in the same room. You want no outside influeneces.

And we really shouldn’t give this technique’s credit to Josh Grossman. It’s as old as dirt.

sorry for the typo’s there

I was quick to blame the UFC too, but I don’t think the UFC or DW is at fault here.

I keep seeing that it’s the fight Commission who appoints these blind judges. I like both fighters and I think they put on a great show (yes I know there was no KO’s or SUBS), but man they were so technical I don’t blame them not just throwing wild flurries or going for some crazy KO like we saw SHOGUN do in the Pride days. He has a lot on the line even as the challenger so I don’t blame him not going for the KO OF THE NIGHT or SUBMISSION OF THE NIGHT because Machida is so crafty he can probably take SHOGUN out with the wrong strategy.

So I give both fighters props, but I still think visually what I saw the other night Shogun one that very close fight.

I’m a big Machida fan, but Shogun clearly won this fight. Shogun trained very hard and utilized a great game plan, i said before this fight Shogun was one of the only fighters who can beat Machida. His striking and speed gave Machida alot of problems, it surprised Machida but unfortunately the suprise element won’t be there next time. This is the problem with a rematch, Machida will focus on where he went wrong and make sure it won’t happen again. Shogun fought an excellent fight and should have been credited for his hard work. It leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. I still think it was fixed, it was expected to be a major sell out,which it wasn’t as they had to apparently give away free tickets. Now they can make more money from another ppv which everyone will want to see, including myself, to see Shogun come back and get his win, it would have made Machida a better fighter if they scored this fight fairly, he would have come back stronger. You can’t blame Machida for this stupid decision.

I agree with a lot that Rich says. I’m a Machida fan, and know that Shogun won by points, but he played it safe and it was CLOSE. And since it was very close, they decided to award it to Machida. A draw would have been better. But when i think of giving the win to Shogun – it would have made literal sense – but wouldn’t have felt *satisfying* either. And it’s because Shogun played it safe and never tried to “win the round” in the final minute.IMO That’s not what UFC is all about. It’s about giving it your best with everything you have – bjj, judo, wrestling, muay thai, boxing, karate etc. and decisively winning each round. If you are the champion, you should have SOME leeway because you’ve earned it and need to decisively be beaten to lose it. Points wise makes literal sense, but doesn’t reward the path to becoming a champion.

The Machida myth has been exposed. Before this fight, nobody gave Shogun a shot in the dark at defeating Machida. That is, all the casual fans of MMA- mainly UFC influenced, were all riding the Machida bandwagon and claiming the Machida Era has begun. The least most hit fighter who never lost a round just got lit up like a christmas tree and should have lost his 1st fight. Best believe that other strikers noticed the holes in the game on Machida. Wrestling based fighters do not stand a chance against Machida at 205lbs. I lost money in this fight but not because I was wrong, because the judging was absolutely horrible in this fight. Even if it was as close as the Machida fans claim it was, the most it should have been was a draw, which it was not a draw but it was not a rightful Machida victory. Shoguns game plan worked like a charm, the infamous backpeddler and karate champ who is scared to engage got his card pulled. How much more aggressive did Shogun have to be??? Does he literally have to chase machida around the octagon borderline wrecklessly in order to be considered the aggressor???? i love MMA and always will, but the UFC influenced casual fans need to wake up and realize that this was a travesty to the sport and the rightful champ needs his respect.

Shogun pretty much controlled the whole fight. Did more damage, octagon control, aggression…you name it. Only real reason Shogun lost because the bookies in Vegas made the call. A LOT of people put money down on Shogun since his odds were +400 (thats where i got it at) and Machida -500. People would be crazy not to put money on Shogun. Shogun should’ve won that fight…even if I didn’t put money on him, I wanted him to win.

Don’t worry Shogun will go for the KO now, and he will get it

I am tired of hearing the same shit over and over again “to be the champ you most beat the champ” well…..you stupid f***. Shogun schooled Machida and in my point of view that is worst that getting knocked out or submitted.

No matter what anyone says. Machida or Shogun Fan…..Rua won that fight and that is the bottom line.