Comments on: “UFC 104: Machida vs. Shogun” Upon Further Review …

By: doomrider7

doomrider7 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:40:37 +0000

@RujeNuwe

You do realise that Dana White himself had Shogun winning this fight, and that in an interview he actually said that Shogun would be Machida’s biggest test so no the UFC really isn’t influencing casual fans(if anything it felt like Goldie and Rogan wre trying to influennce people towards Shogun’s side) honest I want to see Shogun lose not because I dislike him, but simply because of the TREMENDOUS amount of nuthugging and fanboyism. If anyones curious I had Shoun winning this fight 4-1, but reading some threads about the judging criteria and rewatching the fight without sound I can understand why they gave Machida the fight(I still disagree with it but,it is what it is)

By: Ed

Ed — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:13:43 +0000

I am tired of hearing the same shit over and over again “to be the champ you most beat the champ” well…..you stupid f***. Shogun schooled Machida and in my point of view that is worst that getting knocked out or submitted.

No matter what anyone says. Machida or Shogun Fan…..Rua won that fight and that is the bottom line.

By: shay

shay — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:28:06 +0000

shogun won!!!!

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:38:56 +0000

Shogun pretty much controlled the whole fight. Did more damage, octagon control, aggression…you name it. Only real reason Shogun lost because the bookies in Vegas made the call. A LOT of people put money down on Shogun since his odds were +400 (thats where i got it at) and Machida -500. People would be crazy not to put money on Shogun. Shogun should’ve won that fight…even if I didn’t put money on him, I wanted him to win.

Don’t worry Shogun will go for the KO now, and he will get it

By: RujeNuwe

RujeNuwe — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:45:34 +0000

And the, “to be a champ you must beat a champ” is a load of BS- Forrest Griffin did less damage to Rampage and any damage he did do was off the leg kicks- which is what Shogun is getting discredited for. And Forrest was clearly rocked in his title fight. That fight was closer then this fight was and Forrest was awared the belt. How is that???? What did he do that any different that what Shogun did to Machida???? And at leat Rampage engaged and gave a good fight like a champ is supposed to- not try to eek out a victory- alah Floyd Mayweather Jr.

By: RujeNuwe

RujeNuwe — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:39:55 +0000

The Machida myth has been exposed. Before this fight, nobody gave Shogun a shot in the dark at defeating Machida. That is, all the casual fans of MMA- mainly UFC influenced, were all riding the Machida bandwagon and claiming the Machida Era has begun. The least most hit fighter who never lost a round just got lit up like a christmas tree and should have lost his 1st fight. Best believe that other strikers noticed the holes in the game on Machida. Wrestling based fighters do not stand a chance against Machida at 205lbs. I lost money in this fight but not because I was wrong, because the judging was absolutely horrible in this fight. Even if it was as close as the Machida fans claim it was, the most it should have been was a draw, which it was not a draw but it was not a rightful Machida victory. Shoguns game plan worked like a charm, the infamous backpeddler and karate champ who is scared to engage got his card pulled. How much more aggressive did Shogun have to be??? Does he literally have to chase machida around the octagon borderline wrecklessly in order to be considered the aggressor???? i love MMA and always will, but the UFC influenced casual fans need to wake up and realize that this was a travesty to the sport and the rightful champ needs his respect.

By: Jason

Jason — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:14:30 +0000

That was the worst UFC fight I’ve ever seen. I believe shogun won but that isn’t saying much…

By: Kaleb

Kaleb — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:30:05 +0000

I agree with a lot that Rich says. I’m a Machida fan, and know that Shogun won by points, but he played it safe and it was CLOSE. And since it was very close, they decided to award it to Machida. A draw would have been better. But when i think of giving the win to Shogun – it would have made literal sense – but wouldn’t have felt *satisfying* either. And it’s because Shogun played it safe and never tried to “win the round” in the final minute.IMO That’s not what UFC is all about. It’s about giving it your best with everything you have – bjj, judo, wrestling, muay thai, boxing, karate etc. and decisively winning each round. If you are the champion, you should have SOME leeway because you’ve earned it and need to decisively be beaten to lose it. Points wise makes literal sense, but doesn’t reward the path to becoming a champion.

By: Rich

Rich — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:40:44 +0000

If the fight was as close as everyone says it was then what is the big deal with Machida being declared the winner? Shogun didn’t get the decision because he didn’t decisively beat Machida. They key word here is DECISIVELY. Remember that fight was for the BELT, and to be honest the champion should have “some” leeway. If you were going to declare a winner by kicks then sure Shogun won, but that is not MMA, and it is another reason why Shogun didn’t win. What about all the takedowns Machida defended against should he get the win just because he had more and wasn’t taken down? No… If I was a judge I would have declared the fight a draw in all honesty. I hope the re-match will be a bit more decisive for both fighters sake.

By: kash

kash — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:22:14 +0000

I’m a big Machida fan, but Shogun clearly won this fight. Shogun trained very hard and utilized a great game plan, i said before this fight Shogun was one of the only fighters who can beat Machida. His striking and speed gave Machida alot of problems, it surprised Machida but unfortunately the suprise element won’t be there next time. This is the problem with a rematch, Machida will focus on where he went wrong and make sure it won’t happen again. Shogun fought an excellent fight and should have been credited for his hard work. It leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. I still think it was fixed, it was expected to be a major sell out,which it wasn’t as they had to apparently give away free tickets. Now they can make more money from another ppv which everyone will want to see, including myself, to see Shogun come back and get his win, it would have made Machida a better fighter if they scored this fight fairly, he would have come back stronger. You can’t blame Machida for this stupid decision.